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 Post subject: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:50 pm 
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Some years ago I made a proposal for a better way to make an AIO rating system, based on matching up individual episodes against each other. After some work, I'm pleased to announce the first version of this page is ready for use.

This preliminary version lacks some desirable features, including a complete list of episode summaries and a more convenient refresh button, and the appearance of the page is not complete, but it is functionally ready for action, and given the scope of this project, I thought it would be best to get it up as soon as possible so that users can get started rating episodes.

Thanks for your time and interest. I'd love to hear comments or suggestions.


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 Post subject: Re: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:13 pm 
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what is this rating system?

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 Post subject: Re: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:25 pm 
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Wonderful work, Bob! I am anxious to read the ToO thread in full to see the full intent of this system. But just for clarification, does this mean that my "Out-of-5" rating is not one you like? I won't be offended; I know I can be a generous rater sometimes, and I just want to know your thoughts.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:16 am 
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Agent.MontyWhittaker wrote:
what is this rating system?

Many of the details are outlined in my draft about it (I added the link I included in the ToO version of this thread to my first post here). The main innovation since then was the inclusion of an Elo system to take into consideration the relative strengths of episodes matched against each other.

Scientific Guy wrote:
Wonderful work, Bob! I am anxious to read the ToO thread in full to see the full intent of this system. But just for clarification, does this mean that my "Out-of-5" rating is not one you like? I won't be offended; I know I can be a generous rater sometimes, and I just want to know your thoughts.

I haven't seen many of your reviews yet, so I don't claim to be able to state whether they in general are good or bad. I did read and liked the feel of the recent cover you did showing the pros and cons of "Your Honest Opinion".

That said, a set of star system ratings has to win me over. I was and am somewhat wary of them on principle, no matter who made them (in the proposal I made you can see me commenting that I was a bit less than pleased with the solution I'd been using up to that point ;) ). I think it's very hard for anyone to accurately and consistently judge how *all* Odyssey episodes rate. There's over 800 of them, and I think it's fair to state that's too much information for anyone to consider at a single time.

That's the big part of what motivated this system; the idea is to turn it from being a big, abstract proposition of considering all of the episodes ever made and trying to bring some order to that soup, and bring it down to a level that someone can understand, "is this particular episode better than that particular episode". That's a question everyone finds much easier to comment on, and with a greater degree of accuracy than when forced to consider 800+ different variables. They have a lot more experience at it too, as you're quite likely to ask some variant of this question (like "Which episode would I rather listen to") most every time you pick one out.

-- Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:00 pm --

Introduced a few desirable new features and cosmetic/formatting changes, bringing the version number up to 1.1, and then 1.1.1.

The highlights:
* There's now a results box that pops up after a finished rating showing the gain and damage.
* New "Skip" button for users who haven't heard an episode, or can't possibly bring themselves to choose in a tough matchup.
* New link in the name that pulls up a new tab going to the AIOWiki page -- among other things, this should help mitigate the problem with the lack of episode summaries until they're up.


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 Post subject: Re: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:38 pm 
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I'm a little confused; when I click on "Episode Statistics" it shows "It Takes Integrity" at the top... not sure how that one is better than "The Time Has Come"...
I see now that it's alphabetical. Could you add a list by rating that would put "The Time Has Come" in its proper place?


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 Post subject: Re: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:49 am 
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As it is, if you click on the titles of the categories, it'll sort them, but it's true that they don't look like links. I guess the fact that it can be sorted seemed so obvious to me (after all the trouble I went to setting up an extension to provide that functionality ;) ) that it never occurred to me that it's not easy for the end user to see. I'm pretty busy but I'll try to find a way to get this improvement in the GUI in soon.


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 Post subject: Re: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:42 pm 
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Bob wrote:
As it is, if you click on the titles of the categories, it'll sort them, but it's true that they don't look like links. I guess the fact that it can be sorted seemed so obvious to me (after all the trouble I went to setting up an extension to provide that functionality ;) ) that it never occurred to me that it's not easy for the end user to see. I'm pretty busy but I'll try to find a way to get this improvement in the GUI in soon.

Perhaps you can make a legend that explains what "Matches", "Wins", "Win Rate", and "Elo" mean? Because I honestly have no idea what they mean, nor the difference between them.
EDIT: Or convert... something... into a 0% - 100% column?


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 Post subject: Re: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:03 pm 
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The legend/FAQ is a good idea and I'll try to find time to do this and the GUI change today.

I was hoping to put in some kind of graded system (perhaps with letter grades), or so on, to allow for a more convenient comparison. That hasn't happened yet, though, and it would take some time to set up. We probably won't see this at least until spring break next week, and maybe not until the semester is over in May.

Update: Tweaks to the site done. I'll probably tinker with it later to make it more efficient, but it should be good enough for now. The new About page covers some of these questions, although it isn't laid out as well as I'd like yet. Maybe later.


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 Post subject: Re: AIO Rating System
PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:36 pm 
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Neat site!

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